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20 May 2005

“I don’t love you anymore”

17:44:57 :: [psychology] :: 158 words

This has nothing to do with the late goings-on, but I’ve been thinking lately while listening to some Evanescence about something that was said to me a long time ago.

“I don’t love you anymore.” When this comes from someone you’ve known and loved, and trusted and known they loved you back, what does that really mean? “I’ve lost the warm fuzzies” or something closer to the real meaning of love, “I now make a reverse committment of the will in which I desire all that which is not the best for you”?

Curious about your thoughts. More on this later.

(The song I’m talking about specifically is “Everybody’s Fool”.)

10 Responses to ““I don’t love you anymore””

  1.  V. von Papen Says:

    I say this in all earnest. For any person to ever utter the words ‘I don’t love you anymore’, I would classify as a deranged individual.

    First and foremost, this person must not want to be human. We collectively and individually,don’t possess this trait of cruelty. It has to be harbored and cultivated in order for it to borne, without cause and without reason. It is borne out of insanity.

    Basically, those words denote the first step towards committing spiritual murder. I appeal to our dealings with the lower forms of life..animals, pets etc…even insects.

    Could anyone who has the capacity (and I dare say, infinite) to love cast away an encounter with a bumble bee that he/she has just witnessed caressing the beautiful petals of an orchid in full bloom? Or can the lioness pronounce such a verdict on one of her cubs after it crawls to her side gasping for life after being mauled by a jealous male contender?

    Those words, although confined to our intelligent species are repugnant by even the lowest order of the species. These most unworthy words declare that God is a liar and not worthy of praise.

    I appeal to everyone’s humanity to refrain from ever hinting at issuing this death decree. It is the death knell of the Cosmos.

    You can never cease loving anyone, but you can always feign trying and then watch your beloved life go into a freefall of useless existence.

    I hope I have not tread on anything sacred to you or offended you in anyway. I reflect on those same words occassionally…and I wonder, who,what and when did that perverse discourse infect our loving humanity.

    Go well in time.

    V. von Papen

  2.  Thom Says:

    I heartily agree! Didn’t the Lord say, “If you say to anyone “you fool” you will be in danger of hellfire!” We treat words as if they are not what they are: a divine gift with power to make and to destroy.

  3.  Denise Says:

    For me it would mean that I had lost my respect for you, which in turn knocks out the warm fuzzies and any other chance at meaningful communion. I don’t think I could ever go so far as to tell someone that I didn’t love them anymore, but the depth and scope of love can change. Fond memories of good times, but little/no hope for a warm fuzzy future.
    Never heard of group or song. I know I live in the middle of nowhere; am I hopelessly out of touch? I’ll look up lyrics later.

  4.  Denise Says:

    OK - lyrics.com is a beautiful thing. I thought the lines “without your mask where will you hide - can’t find yourself lost in your lie” leads well into that introspection, self-awareness thing. Your thoughts?

  5.  Tyler Says:

    perhaps it would be best to say “I don’t love you in the same way anymore”?

  6.  Denise Says:

    Tyler: Yes, good alternative. I have used this tactic more than once. However, I have never been on the receiving end. It may be equally painful to be told one is not loved in the same way anymore as it is to be told one is no longer loved. Your thoughts?

  7.  Michael Says:

    I see “I love you” as a kind of either promise or lie from the get-go. If there is any capacity in which I love a person, then I believe that will be self-sustaining insofar as I do my part to make it so, unless I am going through a low period in my walk and I could genuinely at that point say (amidst great sin and in danger of hell, to be sure) that, contrary to the entire message of Christ, I do not wish any of the best for that person.

    A romantic love situation is, I think, the closest we can get to unconditional love. (Though we can’t get there apart from God Himself, even Christ in others and ourselves is limited in our flesh.)

    I’m going to expound on this a bit later in another post, but suffice to say that I think, while tacking “in the same way” on the end might soften the blow, ultimately it’s destructive to even say. The Christian can say by the power of Jesus’ love, “I love you as a human no less than anyone else because I acknowledge your having been created in the Image of God.” We are commanded to love our neighbors; how much more “neighborly” could a former lover be?

    To me, it’s actively vindictive and hateful to tell someone you no longer love them, though I suspect it is meant more as an irresponsible, immature declaration of intent: “I hereby withdraw all parts of myself from you that I gave; my heart I take back, along with all the good memories &c.” But who can really say that? There was a point in my life when I tried to convince myself (and a girl I was with) that I never really loved either the girl in question or another, but that’s a crazy lie. (That’s a subject for another time, though.)

    Thanks for the comments. It encourages me to keep writing. :D

  8.  Jessanna Says:

    Yes i know what you mean EXACTLY! It has just happened to me and it is so painful, I dont think i can even bare it much longer. One because the girl he moved on to he doesnt even know, and two she is one of my friends!I hate this, how did you manage?!?!?!

  9.  Michael Says:

    Jessanna, I’m sorry to hear about your recent breakup troubles. The truth is, it’s a part of my testimony that I *didn’t* manage–I tried to drown myself in alcohol because I believed that God Himself had cut me off.

    The reality of it is, that no matter how much a guy loves or doesn’t love you–or a girl, for that matter, guys–God’s love is infinite. Ask Him to balm your heart, to be your guide, your Ultimate Lover: He always delivers.

    Finally, time is God’s gift. In time, your heart will heal. I know that sounds trite, but it’s true, and you’ll be stronger for it. I’ll be praying for you.

  10.  CARR Says:

    I don’t know what to think but, I don know that u can fall out of love, because I fall out of love a little bit more everyday. Some people think love is like a door that you can walk in and out of as you see fit,
    but love to me is more like a window sometimes you can look through it and see nothing but joy and sunshine.
    Other days you see othing but grey clouds and rain everywhere. and i fyou try to go out of it you fall and dependi9ng how deep in love you are or how high up the window is depends on how hurt you are after it’s all over. that goes for both parties involed.

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“I don’t love you anymore”

17:44:57 :: [psychology] :: 158 words

This has nothing to do with the late goings-on, but I’ve been thinking lately while listening to some Evanescence about something that was said to me a long time ago.

“I don’t love you anymore.” When this comes from someone you’ve known and loved, and trusted and known they loved you back, what does that really mean? “I’ve lost the warm fuzzies” or something closer to the real meaning of love, “I now make a reverse committment of the will in which I desire all that which is not the best for you”?

Curious about your thoughts. More on this later.

(The song I’m talking about specifically is “Everybody’s Fool”.)

10 Responses to ““I don’t love you anymore””

  1.  V. von Papen Says:

    I say this in all earnest. For any person to ever utter the words ‘I don’t love you anymore’, I would classify as a deranged individual.

    First and foremost, this person must not want to be human. We collectively and individually,don’t possess this trait of cruelty. It has to be harbored and cultivated in order for it to borne, without cause and without reason. It is borne out of insanity.

    Basically, those words denote the first step towards committing spiritual murder. I appeal to our dealings with the lower forms of life..animals, pets etc…even insects.

    Could anyone who has the capacity (and I dare say, infinite) to love cast away an encounter with a bumble bee that he/she has just witnessed caressing the beautiful petals of an orchid in full bloom? Or can the lioness pronounce such a verdict on one of her cubs after it crawls to her side gasping for life after being mauled by a jealous male contender?

    Those words, although confined to our intelligent species are repugnant by even the lowest order of the species. These most unworthy words declare that God is a liar and not worthy of praise.

    I appeal to everyone’s humanity to refrain from ever hinting at issuing this death decree. It is the death knell of the Cosmos.

    You can never cease loving anyone, but you can always feign trying and then watch your beloved life go into a freefall of useless existence.

    I hope I have not tread on anything sacred to you or offended you in anyway. I reflect on those same words occassionally…and I wonder, who,what and when did that perverse discourse infect our loving humanity.

    Go well in time.

    V. von Papen

  2.  Thom Says:

    I heartily agree! Didn’t the Lord say, “If you say to anyone “you fool” you will be in danger of hellfire!” We treat words as if they are not what they are: a divine gift with power to make and to destroy.

  3.  Denise Says:

    For me it would mean that I had lost my respect for you, which in turn knocks out the warm fuzzies and any other chance at meaningful communion. I don’t think I could ever go so far as to tell someone that I didn’t love them anymore, but the depth and scope of love can change. Fond memories of good times, but little/no hope for a warm fuzzy future.
    Never heard of group or song. I know I live in the middle of nowhere; am I hopelessly out of touch? I’ll look up lyrics later.

  4.  Denise Says:

    OK - lyrics.com is a beautiful thing. I thought the lines “without your mask where will you hide - can’t find yourself lost in your lie” leads well into that introspection, self-awareness thing. Your thoughts?

  5.  Tyler Says:

    perhaps it would be best to say “I don’t love you in the same way anymore”?

  6.  Denise Says:

    Tyler: Yes, good alternative. I have used this tactic more than once. However, I have never been on the receiving end. It may be equally painful to be told one is not loved in the same way anymore as it is to be told one is no longer loved. Your thoughts?

  7.  Michael Says:

    I see “I love you” as a kind of either promise or lie from the get-go. If there is any capacity in which I love a person, then I believe that will be self-sustaining insofar as I do my part to make it so, unless I am going through a low period in my walk and I could genuinely at that point say (amidst great sin and in danger of hell, to be sure) that, contrary to the entire message of Christ, I do not wish any of the best for that person.

    A romantic love situation is, I think, the closest we can get to unconditional love. (Though we can’t get there apart from God Himself, even Christ in others and ourselves is limited in our flesh.)

    I’m going to expound on this a bit later in another post, but suffice to say that I think, while tacking “in the same way” on the end might soften the blow, ultimately it’s destructive to even say. The Christian can say by the power of Jesus’ love, “I love you as a human no less than anyone else because I acknowledge your having been created in the Image of God.” We are commanded to love our neighbors; how much more “neighborly” could a former lover be?

    To me, it’s actively vindictive and hateful to tell someone you no longer love them, though I suspect it is meant more as an irresponsible, immature declaration of intent: “I hereby withdraw all parts of myself from you that I gave; my heart I take back, along with all the good memories &c.” But who can really say that? There was a point in my life when I tried to convince myself (and a girl I was with) that I never really loved either the girl in question or another, but that’s a crazy lie. (That’s a subject for another time, though.)

    Thanks for the comments. It encourages me to keep writing. :D

  8.  Jessanna Says:

    Yes i know what you mean EXACTLY! It has just happened to me and it is so painful, I dont think i can even bare it much longer. One because the girl he moved on to he doesnt even know, and two she is one of my friends!I hate this, how did you manage?!?!?!

  9.  Michael Says:

    Jessanna, I’m sorry to hear about your recent breakup troubles. The truth is, it’s a part of my testimony that I *didn’t* manage–I tried to drown myself in alcohol because I believed that God Himself had cut me off.

    The reality of it is, that no matter how much a guy loves or doesn’t love you–or a girl, for that matter, guys–God’s love is infinite. Ask Him to balm your heart, to be your guide, your Ultimate Lover: He always delivers.

    Finally, time is God’s gift. In time, your heart will heal. I know that sounds trite, but it’s true, and you’ll be stronger for it. I’ll be praying for you.

  10.  CARR Says:

    I don’t know what to think but, I don know that u can fall out of love, because I fall out of love a little bit more everyday. Some people think love is like a door that you can walk in and out of as you see fit,
    but love to me is more like a window sometimes you can look through it and see nothing but joy and sunshine.
    Other days you see othing but grey clouds and rain everywhere. and i fyou try to go out of it you fall and dependi9ng how deep in love you are or how high up the window is depends on how hurt you are after it’s all over. that goes for both parties involed.

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